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Something to think about by Cloister Something to think about by Cloister
"Using the mind to look for reality is delusion. Not using the mind to look for reality is awareness."

- Bodhidharma
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GalaxyShadow Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You need to write a book.
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KitrakKraaxi Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
Quit blowing my mind already!

(epiphany)
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DrDoomsday101 Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2012
From now on, if you did not already, consider yourself awesome!
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Cloister Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Awesome? Sounds like a relative description. Looking from a fashion model's point of view, I'm probably fat! :)
If I'm awesome, I must be fat... and since I don't want to be fat, I will let awesome slide off too. (Is being, in itself, enough?)
Thanks though.
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bellekiss9 Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
wow :O
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Yudipone Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012
Philosophy Undergrad. How can I NOT love this???
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SeLeB Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2012  Student General Artist
Epistemology is fun, eh?
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Cloister Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Sure! Though this is certainly something that could be named Epistemology, I think of it more as a way of 'becoming free of' (seeing byond) the labels we and others put on ourselves and each other. Whatever positive or negative ideas we have about our mental and physical selves and others, it is comforting to know that they are only relative, and not absolute. The moon may find the earth very big and attractive, but there are some planets that would laugh at it... and even those are rather petty compared to suns. Are those suns big or small? (A false question?...)
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jusk2ru Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2012  Student Digital Artist
If you'r interested in changing your perception to something less prejudices you can listen/read OSHO...the term of the process is deprogramming.
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Cloister Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Osho, Tolle, Mooji, Adyashanti, to name some of the more famous ones. There are many intersting contemporary teachers out there. Osho is rather funny though.
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jusk2ru Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012  Student Digital Artist
^^ Yeah he really is...a positive view on life is sometimes what I lack, so I really like him.
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BJSparky Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
This is actually called the Bezold Effect, but it's really cool how you explained it! :love:
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Cloister Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
A very small part of this Deviation is about the Bezold Effect, as I see it.
Thanks!
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BJSparky Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
You're welcome! :D
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Destriarch Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2012
Interesting. Similarly, 'Cogito Ergo Sum', I think therefore I am, may be paraphrased as 'the only thing that I am certain exists is my mind, because everything else must be perceived through its lens and may therefore be misleading or entirely illusory'.

-Ash
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Cloister Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Did you exist before you could think? Do simple, non-thinking life-forms exist? Does awareness of life/consciousness/being require thoughts?
(In my own experience I feel a lot more alive when the stream of thoughts subside or slow down.)
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Destriarch Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012
Whether I existed before I could think is irrelevant if one considers the idea that maybe nothing existed before I could think, and that my sentience could have been the catalyst for the creation of all other things :) As for other creatures, they could simply be imaginings of mine with no original thought of their own.

But I'm not really into Solipsism, it's just interesting that it's completely impossible to disprove.
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Cloister Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I agree of course, that theoretically everything else could be a fiction, but I don't believe the one single thing that I can be sure about is my thinking, but rather my consciousness or awareness of being. Thought is something I consider to happen 'in' consciousness - a tool of consciousness. If my ability to think would somehow disappear, I would still be aware of being aware. I don't have to think "I am" to experience 'being'.
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Destriarch Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012
I think not :D
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enigmaticworld Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
"What am I?" - what question flows out above all other thoughts in my mind like a shit in cesspit every evening, just before I go to sleep; and every morning, just when I wake up.
It floats there along with "what I want to be?", "what do I need to be?" and "what am i supposed to be?".
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Cloister Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
There is clearly something asking these questions, and that something already exists. I doubt that it has to become anything at all.
How about exchanging 'be' with 'do'? "What do I want to do?", "What do I need to do?", and "What am I supposed to do?"
('Supposed'?...according to who or what?)

The question "What am I?" is more interesting, I think. If you understand what I'm trying to say with this Deviation, you might conclude that the mind is unable to give a satisfying answer to that question.
It can only come up with a situation-/culture-/time-relative answers, which needs to be redefined with change.
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enigmaticworld Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
These are the questions that in my case do not relate to posessions, achievements, education or job, but rather to character, way of seeing the world, the way of interpreting it, the way I act every day.
The difference between "what I want to be" and "what I want to do" is... huge. I often want to do things that do not lead to what I want to be, so I have to ask both kinds of questions to stay in harmony and balance.

And that last question, what am I. All I can say about what we are as a race is that we are something more. As far as we know, we are the only thing in the universe that wonders what we are. That's already something :)
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Cloister Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I see what you're saying.

I personally TRY to be as little as possible, and allow the dynamics of the situation to shape my action (me). What I do and experience IS what I am at any given moment. Right now I'm 'fingers typing'. In a minute I might be 'rising from chair' and so on. The rest is only ideas. I try to listen carefully to "my heart" and act honestly in accordance with its respons. So, in a way, I guess, I'm asking the question every moment, but I don't ask it with my mind, but rather with my heart or soul, if there is such a thing. And I try to be re-created in (and in tune with) every single moment.

When impulses show up that suggest actions that are not fully in line with my heart, I try accepting them, and try to leave them be.

I believe this way to be more harmonious than making a picture in my mind of what I'd like to become/be and bring that idea/force into every situation.
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enigmaticworld Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
It's not about forcing to be something I'm not. It is about becoming something I want to be. There is no lack of harmony. There is no creating any picture in my mind. There are no situations in which I have to force something upon anything, because I still am myself. Eh, I can't describe it, I don't know how, it is beyond any words I know.
Different people - different minds - different ways of being. I like you :)
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Cloister Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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CamberGreber Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2012
Fantasic read. :)

Continueously open to interpretation.
Everything makes sense to someone.
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Cloister Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks!
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